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Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

It's called an example.

Then I'll ask what you're trying to prove with your example?

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

So it's fine for him to make stupid generalizations, but when a PvEer does you jump on her immediately? I see.

I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.

You can't see me · Feb 21, 2008, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

No, but to be a good PvP player means that you have to understand the mechanics of the game...

Your argument only holds if you define good PvPer a certain way, aside from the fact that it's an oxymoron.

What do you consider good?

GvGing once a week or so, and being able to win occasionally with a mediocre guild?

Playing in the HoH on a daily basis and winning?

Being able to RA and grind Glad points?

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.

I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."

The worst thing you can do to an egomaniac is to say that he's correct.

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."

I'm not gonna let you float on by labelling a large amount of people "assholes," regardless of who you are, friend or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The worst thing you can do to an egomaniac is to say that he's correct.

Note I said "partly," I don't entirely appreciate every single word. But in general I agree with him.

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Then I'll ask what you're trying to prove with your example?

I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.

More pertinently, how else is he supposed to label them? Based on someone else's experience? How exactly is that relevant to his experience.

Come on, I saw your response to Van Goughs biggotted bilious trash PVE'r bashing, so you have zero credibility.

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

More pertinently, how else is he supposed to label them?

Not assholes?

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Not assholes?

I mean, one what basis other his personal experience is he meant to draw conclusions by. As you well know...

good +1 though

I think it's time to bring on the kitties, there's no point in this anymore.

The PvP sides argument has basically degenerated into an statement of their own leetness. Which is where the problem with PvP players starts, for most PVErs. Oh, the irony...

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Not assholes?

That would make me a liar. And I don't like to lie.

As with everything in life, there is no black and white answer to anything. There are millions of gray shades in between. There are nice PvPers and rude PvPers. There are nice PvEers and rude PvEers. Some PvPers know a lot about GW. Some PvEers know a lot about GW. Neither side of the game is "better" than the other, because either side alone is still half a game.

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

I mean, one what basis other his personal experience is he meant to draw conclusions by. As you well know...

I can understand people not wanting to PvP because they've had a bad experience, but saying the entire PvP playerbase is full of idiots, jerkoffs and general jackassery isn't acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

That would make me a liar. And I don't like to lie.

It's not so much that you're lying, but that you're biased. Both are pretty bad.

Racthoh · Feb 21, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Some PvEers know a lot about GW.

I would say the number of PvErs who know a lot about the game are few and far between. They may think they know a lot about the game, but in reality they don't. A lot of 'elite' PvE guilds are really nothing special, their general knowledge about the game is minimal.

Snow Bunny · Feb 21, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Your argument only holds if you define good PvPer a certain way, aside from the fact that it's an oxymoron.

What do you consider good?

GvGing once a week or so, and being able to win occasionally with a mediocre guild?

Playing in the HoH on a daily basis and winning?

Being able to RA and grind Glad points?

No, those aren't PvPers. They may consider themselves such, but the real core PvP community is top100 GvG

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's not so much that you're lying, but that you're biased. Both are pretty bad.

Both sides are biased in their own favor, that's human nature.

Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers? What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.

Broadly, PVP players see PVE players as lameass noobs, and PVE players see PVP players as elitist wankers. And, in a general sense, they are both right.

Snow Bunny · Feb 21, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Both sides are biased in their own favor, that's human nature.

Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers? What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.

Broadly, PVP players see PVE players as lameass noobs, and PVE players see PVP players as elitist wankers. And, in a general sense, they are both right.

I'm in a PvE guild, as well as a PvE alliance. Aside from my guild, which itself includes people whose knowledge of this game I consider deplorable, everyone else in the alliance is a moron.

They believe Ursan is a balanced skill, they believe skills like Frenzy, Shock, Ancestor's Rage, Gale, I could go on... are bad, when they could be replaced with skills like Searing Flames and PvE skills.

I'm exhausted, so I will not entertain this anymore, but suffice to say, top 100-200 GvGers invariably have a better knowledge of skill usage than any PvE'er, save people like Avarre and those damned SMS cultists

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers?

I actually do believe they are a bit biased. Now why do people keep associating me with them? I stated before that I agree partly with Snow Bunny but not fully. Van Gogh's post provided some dangerous but nonetheless interesting ideas, hence my comment of "well written post." While it obviously can't be applied to every single non-PvPer, it does show an overlooked view of how some people may feel towards it.

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.

It takes more than just being in a bad HA guild for awhile or having a bad run against a series of annoying players, I'll say that much. It's also about having an informed opinion, much like how game websites and magazines play the whole game before rating it.

Celestial_Kitsune · Feb 21, 2008, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I'm in a PvE guild, as well as a PvE alliance.

May I ask, if you like GvG, why you are in a PvE guild?

Creeping Carl · Feb 21, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."

Holy cow. The irrational hatred for one side who plays a different playstyle is what I find really stupid and just plain silly.

I mean come on, a traiter to your own kind? Just because he defended a PVP player from a PVE player's unjustified comments? We're supposed to hate the other side because of what we play?

We have enough of this stupid crap in real life where people find trivial differences to war over. I'm just shaking my head over this.... A traitor to his own kind! Wow!

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I actually do believe they are a bit biased. Now why do people keep associating me with them? I stated before that I agree partly with Snow Bunny but not fully. Van Gogh's post provided some dangerous but nonetheless interesting ideas, hence my comment of "well written post." While it obviously can't be applied to every single non-PvPer, it does show an overlooked view of how some people may feel towards it.

It takes more than just being in a bad HA guild for awhile or having a bad run WITH a series of annoying players, I'll say that much. It's also about having an informed opinion, much like how game websites and magazines play the whole game before rating it.

Corrected that for you. Also, regarding the whole GvG is PvP. Maybe to people like Snow Bunny that's true, but not to the majority of PVE players.

And as regards Top100 GVG, that's exactly 1000 possible places. Small wonder that most PVE'rs do not regard that as the bulk of PvP. In fact, I can state categorically that every negative PvP experience I have had is in HA.

And as regards to having an informed opinion, I've spent about a year on and off doing HA. Every time I was reminded why I stopped.

And, as regards PVP players have superior metagame knowledge, I have no doubt of that. It's the attitude that this somehow makes you entitled to be an arrogant, egotistical dipshit that puts people off.

Bryant Again · Feb 21, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Corrected that for you.

Matches against annoying players cannot impact a player's game experience?

At least substitute "in addition to." Saying "fixed it for ya" is a pretty common anger trigger on forums.

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

And as regards to having an informed opinion, I've spent about a year on and off doing HA.

Hence why I can respect your opinion more than others. If you haven't seen a lot of the playing field than it's improper to draw conclusions on it.

enter_the_zone · Feb 21, 2008, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Matches against annoying players cannot impact a player's game experience?

At least substitute "in addition to." Saying "fixed it for ya" is a pretty common anger trigger on forums.

Hence why I can respect your opinion more than others. If you haven't seen a lot of the playing field than it's improper to draw conclusions on it.

ofc, I mean fixed from my perspective, since my issues with pvp were with teammates as opposed to opposing teams

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Edit for Snow Bunny: Also, I think it's fair to say that if you are doing Top100 GvG on a regular basis, you should expect to be one of the best players in the game. Sneering in derision at those who aren't as good as you is surely a bit pointless, since it's virtually everyone you'll ever meet.

maraxusofk · Feb 21, 2008, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

No, those aren't PvPers. They may consider themselves such, but the real core PvP community is top100 GvG

AWWW comon pretty plz include top 200. im working on it and like to be included